Weezerpedia Discord Q&A with Karl Koch - August 2024

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hailey :3: do you ever remember or have records as to what samples were used for the real demo undone collage? we've been compiling a list of what was used and so far have some pinned down

hailey :3: LEFT CHANNEL

"She loves you...yeah..yeah yeah"

"your eyesights been affected. Hm, acne." "Sore throats huh? Oh my poor friends."

"your atmosphere has recently been polluted by a foul smelling substance (that is plaque?)"

"enough of this nonsense! you are swines(?), scientists do not perish!"

"Where does your devil ???, grasshopper? ???"

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcb4_QwP6fE

"no moon" https://youtu.be/i7eqjiRRIqg

RIGHT CHANNEL

"I was just sure I'd grow up and marry my wife"

"half way through their latest hit song-"

"Hey boy, you still using that greasy kid stuff on your hair?"

"Bless us, my precious, a tasty morsel it would make us. What is it, my precious?" https://youtu.be/ubynOv3VKB8

"Give them a light, and they'll follow it anywhere." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCzgdF_WjOg ???

"Help, Superman!" "Supe, help!" "Help!" https://youtu.be/Us5XLFV2SFY?t=251

"This is what you call: a failure face" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Be5gdhJQcr0

"You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor. Take her away!" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RoSulbR4maU

Woody Woodpecker laugh???

Karl: LEFT CHANNEL

"She loves you...yeah..yeah yeah"

Thats Walter Cronkite, from https://www.discogs.com/master/934563-Walter-Cronkite-Fred-W-Friendly-I-Can-Hear-It-Now-The-Sixties

"your eyesights been affected. Hm, acne." "Sore throats huh? Oh my poor friends."

"your atmosphere has recently been polluted by a foul smelling substance (that is plaque?)"

"enough of this nonsense! you are swines(?), scientists do not perish!"

"spies" not swine

Superman likely this one https://www.discogs.com/release/1354930-Superman-Superman

"Where does your devil ???, grasshopper? ???"

lol wat (i cant remember without re-listening, stand by on that one)

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcb4_QwP6fE

"no moon" https://youtu.be/i7eqjiRRIqg

Karl: RIGHT CHANNEL

"I was just sure I'd grow up and marry my wife"

thats "mom" not "wife". Mr Rogers. https://www.discogs.com/release/2260676-Mister-Rogers-Wont-You-Be-My-Neighbor

"half way through their latest hit song-"

Superman again. same record or possibly:
https://www.discogs.com/release/1140932-Unknown-Artist-Superman

"Hey boy, you still using that greasy kid stuff on your hair?"
this one is killing me. its a comedy record and i cant remember.....

"Bless us, my precious, a tasty morsel it would make us. What is it, my precious?" https://youtu.be/ubynOv3VKB8

"Give them a light, and they'll follow it anywhere." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCzgdF_WjOg ???

close! Actually from this album (an absolute masterpiece of American comedy and social commentary, 10/10 strongest recommendation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLZOXm3zY1w

"Help, Superman!" "Supe, help!" "Help!" https://youtu.be/Us5XLFV2SFY?t=251

yes the "Alien Creatures" story, which is on that record and the one i cited above

"This is what you call: a failure face" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Be5gdhJQcr0

"You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor. Take her away!" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RoSulbR4maU

Woody Woodpecker laugh???

i think thats Gollum from the same Rankin Bass Hobbit animated movie, losing his shit. i might be wrong, ill re-listen

Karl: and a note - all samples were from vinyl, not a movie rip etc. so the star wars bits were:
https://www.discogs.com/release/717031-Original-Cast-With-Narration-By-Roscoe-Lee-Browne-The-Story-Of-Star-Wars

and the hobbit stuff was
https://www.discogs.com/release/11105667-Rankin-Bass-The-RankinBass-Production-Of-The-Hobbit-The-Complete-Original-Soundtrack

Karl: Note i re-used the walter cronkite sample years later, for the remix song i did for Kid Chocolat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAY1bY80ufY

August 1, 2024 6:00 AM (#karlification)


Karl: OK hold the phone - so i dont know what record it came from but i did find the actual original commercial:
https://www.weirduniverse.net/blog/comments/greasy_kid_stuff

the thing is i think the record i used had a parody of that commercial, because i remember the very next line was someone with a strong accent saying "Si Senor!" (...TOTALLY OTL by any current PC standards! ....and not actually funny!
you know how they say the internet is forever? well, not always. but you know what is forever? vinyl lol. so many totally wrong things have been captured and pressed on these totally non biodegradable discs...)

August 1, 2024 6:24 AM (#karlification)


Juan #2: no more hypotheticals karl i've listened through the sources you gave for the real demo undone collages (thanks btw it was very helpful) but besides the ones you seem to be unsure of, you said the enough of this nonsense sample was from a superman record but i listened through the whole thing and while i did find the others, that one wasn't there. is it possible that one is from another superman record?

Karl: oh! that might be from a 6 million $ man record actually... (same label,same time period, same terrible voice acting) let me see here... maybe "operation deep freeze" from:
https://www.discogs.com/master/1075137-Unknown-Artist-The-Six-Million-Dollar-Man-Volume-2
?????????

August 3, 2024 6:30 AM (#karlification)

Moony B'deedle: Who has the indie rock road trip Polaroids? You vars or crush?

Karl: me. ....and they can virtually be yours if you get the IRRT Scrapbook!

August 1, 2024 7:13 PM (#karlification)

orbitron: do you have any early blue deluxe (2004) tracklists in vein of the early pinkerton deluxe tracklist that's out there?

Karl: i likely do, but where exactly i cant say atm. But i do know the main change from proposed to final was removing the kitchen tape songs that didnt make it. (wasnt my call)

August 2, 2024 8:44 PM (#karlification)

Dilavni: if a 30th anniversary edition of the blue album were to be hypothetically released, would any b-sides be hypothetically overdubbed?

Karl: hypothetically no

August 2, 2024 8:53 PM (#karlification)


Jeremy: if a 30th anniversary edition of the blue album were to be hypothetically released, would any b-sides be included? I'm just making sure we aren't being monkey pawed

Karl: hypothetically no

August 2, 2024 9:06 PM (#karlification)


hailey :3: karl, if hypothetically I was hungry, should I go and get some ice cream cake

Karl: ice cream cake is only hypothetically "food"

August 2, 2024 9:08 PM (#karlification)


Juan #2: karl if a hypothetical blue 30th edition came out would there be any more info on the second jamie attempt

Karl: hypothetical master tapes would have to be hypothetically found by a hypothetical record label

August 2, 2024 9:09 PM (#karlification)


orbitron: karl, if a hypothetical blue 30th came out, would mrs young be included please i am hypothetically begging

Karl:

August 2, 2024 9:13 PM (#karlification)

hailey :3: what was the thought process of including the green album version of island in the sun as a maladroit bonus track with no edits or changes

my guess is it was still doing well enough as a single and the label thought it might help sales of the single/album a little

Karl: that certainly wasnt done via MY thought process

August 3, 2024 9:08 PM (#karlification)

dylan (HMC): I don’t think I’ve seen anyone ask about the sample of someone saying “Bossanova or tap?” (or something like that) after “ask her to dance” in the Kitchen Tape version of “Only in Dreams.”

Karl: Ha! totally forgot about that. let me cogitate on that one. OLD memory. i think its someone talking (on another track, picked up on a mic), not a "sample" per se

August 3, 2024 9:12 PM (#karlification)

hailey :3: was it ever noted where/when songs were debuted in concert before weezer.com (more specifically getchoo, you gave your love and tired of sex)?

Karl: not that i know - if it wasnt on the old bbs boards, aol chats, alt.weezer etc... i dont know how word would get out. the community was so small and there was so little "known" info that everyone could trust/support then

August 5, 2024 5:29 AM (#karlification)

justinhoenke: Is there any chance that Pat would consider releasing the lost 2005 SG album? Also, would Pat ever do any reissues with bonus tracks?

Karl: wel,, heres the thing. ive heard the album (2004 actually), and i LOVE it. I feel that the last 2 songs on it could be trimmed off and the remaining 9 or 10 (i forget..?) would be a GREAT album. (the last 2 tracks are like B's IMO, the rest A's)

so, there youve got your "bonus tracks" baked right in

but you asked if Pat would release it.... Hes never seemed very into the idea, and im not sure why. sonically its awesome. As a practical matter, it would be a vanity project, small run, and likely not make much or any $, but that wouldnt stop Pat if he liked the product. I think he got the idea that the album was either flawed or just not right somehow and i dont know if its possible to change his mind about that. i dont like to pester him, but im holding onto hope that this project could be done someday.

as for the idea of bonus tracks in general, well, Pat isnt known for saving stuff so i dont know what he'd even have available to use.

August 5, 2024 7:02 PM (#karlification)

hailey :3: whats the story behind the covers for the 09/10/etc live bootlegs? there probably isnt that much about it but ive always liked how simple they are

Karl: the covers of the bootlegs were just chosen by our then manager Dan Field, from photos i and he had taken - much like the "Raditude" book. i submitted pix from each show and eventually one of them ended up as a cover, except when Dan really liked one that he took instead. id say 3/4 are mine?

August 8, 2024 5:27 AM (#karlification)

orbitron: how many shows did fuzz perform?
old history says 2 but pat w said 1 i think

orbitron: that says one or two though

Jeremy: well shit
I trust karl more than pat for what that's worth

Karl: somehow i think i recently figured out that fuzz played one show at the coconut teaszer, i have eyewitness acct from p finn. this (and more!) is all stuff i havent turned into =wp= data yet but go with "likely 1 show" for now

August 9, 2024 7:41 PM (#projects-forum; "Recording History 2.0 WRC" thread)

Karl: OK.....

the 5/92 "1st demo" tape recordings are NOT the same as the 8/92 kitchen tape recordings!

i dont know why i implied that they were in that old weezine, and i certainly believed myself fr a long time! But i cant recall why i did. somehow i got some bad intel very early on and it stuck with me. I never sat down and A/B'd the 2 recordings. They are different in several ways.

drum sound: clearly the 5/92 is in the garage, the kitchen is clearly well, in th ekitchen[sic]

Theif: 5/92 has a cold open, no instrumental intro part. quick drum fill and right into it.
Lets Sew: Clearly more "hoarse" grunge style vocal approach
The World: Just sounds bgger and clearer on kitchen, better vocals too.

there you have it. APOLOGIES if my decades long assumption messed anything up!

August 9, 2024 8:16 PM (#projects-forum; "Recording History 2.0 WRC" thread)

justinhoenke: Karl are you watching Olympic breakdancing? If Y isn’t it amazing and isn’t the DJ wonderful? And if N then you should check it out because I think you’d enjoy.

Karl: its about time they put it in the olympics. and yes the DJ has the right stuff!

but its a little bittersweet, just like skateboarding - something that thrives on self expression and not having points and rules, getting forced into a box, as it were. but its great that the world can see it and that its got the respect it deserves.

i think i saw a pretty terrible performance by the Australian team member? like Spike Jonze in Fatboy Slim video level terrible. or was that a parody or AI or something.

August 10, 2024 6:15 AM (#karlification)

hailey :3: actually while ur here, do you know when the rehearsal tape is from? im trying to figure it out and its said that on the second or third day of rehearsals it was recorded
then a historic event says it was recorded on the third day
so im trying to figure out if its the 16th or 17th

Karl: oh - yeah ok a word about that. i did some hardcore sifting and thinking (due to working on Hypothetical Thing coming later this fall) and came up with the following likely scenario:

3 days of rehearsal, yes.
1st day could well have been 2/14 (confirming "weezer day")
last day, day of the recording, is 3/17.

that = 4 days though.

so strong assumption was actual start was 2/15 (rendering weezer day wrong) BUT
there was likely a day off!
so rehearsals would be 2/14, [2/15 OR 2/16], and 2/17. which was final day and the day of recording
my only "evidence" is a very vague half memory of the guys having to load out gear and reload back in later
but yeah 2/17 recording of 3rd practice = true

August 10, 2024 9:10 AM (#projects-forum; "Recording History 2.0 WRC" thread)

Karl: hey someone can add this to the christmas cd page:
i made this and it apparently ran in CMJ magazine in nov/dec 2000

hailey :3: i checked november 2000 and it deostns eem[sic] to be in there, perhaps decemebr?[sic]

Karl: dunno. maybe they didnt even run it?? but i think they did. December would make sense. (assuming cmj's cover month matched the actual release time? many magazines are "ahead", like the december issue could have come out in november)

Donny: Why would it say "in your hands now" when it was an ad in a magazine?

Karl: ! perhaps it ran in January lol.... it was shipped out by early mid December i think

August 10, 2024 9:11 AM (#karlification)

orbitron: also, is pat still rocking his 67 chevelle?

Karl: nope, i believe he sold it at some point. getting on the cover of Hot Rod was apparently a "now what?" moment with it

August 10, 2024 7:41 PM (#karlification)

orbitron: the original recording history states that 60 wrong sausages practiced 7 times with the final one being just before their only show, however in the super chrono, there’s a passage from your journal that implies they were practicing as late as december 4th. which one would be correct here? were there more practices between then?

Karl: hmm.. i dont recall this implication... when we drove back to LA from Petaluma the next day, the vibe was "yeah... that was that..." maybe i had high hopes for a few days? im sure i did actually. but no 60WS activity of any kind after that show

August 10, 2024 7:43 PM (#karlification)

nimrod: https://youtu.be/kKBrb5BA4qQ how many songs did ric record? and are they in good condition?

Karl: most of the rehearsal and they are like that, with the artsy effects etc

Karl: oh if you mean the 12 track demo at SIR, thats in the RH, i think? While that B+W video, like i said, he rolled tape on one of the set run thru's and later added effects. that video i have. but no idea what happened to the original "clean" tape... And that will likely remain a mystery for all time now, sadly

August 10, 2024 7:43 PM (#karlification)

Moony B'deedle: Hey Karl is Todd Sullivan involved with the Blue Super Deluxe project? I know he produced the last one, or is this one wholy your baby

Karl: he has no hypothetical involvement in anything hypothetical that weezer may be hypothetically doing soon

Karl: Todd now actually has a pretty good biz doing sample clearance and licensing, he has a bunch of hip hop clients and such, its pretty funny for a guitar rock addict like him but hes having fun

August 10, 2024 7:44 PM (#karlification)

hailey :3: was the kitchen tape recorded all on august 1st?
https://www.weezerpedia.com/wiki/Historic_event:_08/01/1992
both that and recording history state august 1st

Karl: i recall within the last 2 months looking into this and i figured it out it was basically done over an extended weekend, like 3 or 4 days. i have pretty good specific info on it, but not in front of me atm.

August 11, 2024 8:57 PM (#projects-forum; "Recording History 2.0 WRC" thread)

orbitron: what's the story behind the special goodness song "not the way"? was it recorded for any album? how did it make its way onto that epitaph sampler

deckra: it was released on punk o rama 10, not just that sampler

Burnst Jamp: Apparently I've never gone out of my way to listen to that song because I only just now realized that it's just "What You Can Forget" with a new (worse, sorry Pat) chorus

Karl: so... i think we've established what the story is now
well, at least without me trying to figure out when it happened and why.. lol

August 14, 2024 10:42 AM (#karlification)

hailey :3: half pipe, what's the story with that? did a seperate session have to be booked just to rerecord rivers vocals

Karl: no memory of needing an additional session, and we were heavily touring at that point, but it was probably "flown in" from a recording Rivers made at his home studio or even somewhere on the road. one line of vocals can be captured pretty easily, and then that one needed word can be swapped out by an editor. i do have a few cd-r "half pipes" on cd, but i dont recall if they have any info included on them as far as recording info

August 16, 2024 1:07 PM (#karlification)

orbitron: when you said in the recent =wp= interview that pat was dissatisfied with the drums on autumn because "that's not what he played", are you sure you didn't mean summer? that's the szn that's generally criticized for having weird sounding drums

Karl: oh Pat might have misspoke? im sure i quoted him right, buu[sic] it would track that hed mix up which sznz was which

August 16, 2024 1:24 PM (#karlification)

hailey :3: also any info on mikey writing breakdown pre/post-chorus sections for hash pipe? apparently rivers couldn't think of how to transition from verse to chorus and reportedly didn't give mikey the credit for it

Karl: not sure i have much on hash pipe writing process. Anyway i dont recall anything, perhaps i have info and dont know it yet. Entirely possible Mikey spontaneously came up with something good in practice, he was great at that

August 16, 2024 1:26 PM (#karlification)

Moony B'deedle: Hey karl idk how much you know but what was the experience working with mofi like? I know they messed up the art, which is a pain, but the records themselves sound fantastic. Did they approach the band or geffen? Or did the band or geffen approach them?

Karl: i believe they approached us directly (via management), and management put them in touch with me to see if it was worth it, since they knew i was a vinyl freak. They sent me some killer sample records (including the Cars debut w00t) and impressed me with their professionalism. The one stickler was they couldnt budge on using their "original master recording" banner on the cover. As for how it was done, they licensed the music from universal (geffen), getting access to the master tapes (not the 2" multi tracks but the 1/2" master mixes), and remastered their stampers directly from there.

Moony B'deedle: It's weird that they are so harsh about using that label because for the Vinyl me please release of pinkerton they used those same stamps and credit them, but no label on the album

Karl: i dunno, its just a set in stone thing from the olden days i guess. they did it since the 1970s on "their" releases, so i guess they think they cant stop. and if another label pays them to use their mastering, i guess they collect some $ and dont care what the cover says????

August 17, 2024 7:21 PM (#karlification)

hailey :3: any info about the outhouse top 50 list from '92?

specifically "fullsun", "happy meadows", "what's going on", "my mistake", and "i can't stand your cheese", AFAIK we don't know much if anything about these aside from the titles :P

Karl: does that scan exist in non-potato format?

hailey :3: nah, straight from rivers' site circa early 2000s, I wrote down it on the wiki tho

https://www.weezerpedia.com/wiki/Outhouse_Top_50

Karl: fullsun is a Jason Cropper song
whats going on is a RC song, should be in his early years bundle? same time period as Galactus, little bag, undone? not sure why hed not include it? I assume i put it in the ol rec hist too?

Karl: happy meadows im not sure, its not RC, so likely Jason. but i cant visualize it with my ears. The PW early songs i know pretty well and that name doest jive with his stuff

Karl: my mistake is a mystery - but id suspect PW. small chance its a RC song with early title. smaller chance its another JC song (he only had like 2-3 total submissions including post 50 song project, including the "tear of red" song a little later on. this despite him demoing like 40 crazy instrumentals back then. they were hyperactive with 1 million guitar parts and frenetic drum machine and didnt inspire the other guys

Jeremy: If it's not in Alone V I'd say it's probably lost to time because I doubt Riv would just neglect to add something

Karl: ah but if i put it in the recording history, that means...

Karl: i have no idea about i cant stand your cheese. if it was a real viable song, its just an early title therof

orbitron: i think there was a guess that it was “cheesewheel”

Karl: that would track. no way to be 100% on that but likely

August 18, 2024 8:27 PM (#karlification)

Burnst Jamp: Next time you're in the vault, could you get a photo of the back/sides of the Vacuum Records vinyl killer packaging?

deckra: would you also be able to take a look for those starhustler/supersport 2000 tapes you mentioned having awhile ago?

Karl: can get to both shortly

August 21, 2024 5:19 PM (#karlification)


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August 21, 2024 8:31 PM (#karlification)

Donny: should this picture be included with that session

Donny: A better version, I mean.

Karl: i am a step behind on what you guys are talm bout but that photo was taken at Bearsville studios, it was the first thing RC did once he started recovering from the leg surgery. he had a car service drive him there from connecticut bc he couldnt fly etc

Donny: The initial question was on what exact day the Angus YGYLTMS session was, but Pinkerton Diaries says it was June 2nd. The second question was who played the tambourine at that session.

Karl: would be surprised if it wasn't Rivers (or possibly Pat), but cant recall... i can try to find out - i took other photos there. i dont think video? but not 100% on that either
that town was so dark and quiet at night and it totally shut down, nothing open after like 7 pm

August 22, 2024 5:16 AM (#karlification)

hailey :3: are there two versions of rivers doing because or was this a mistake on either your side or the person formatting it for weezerpedia

Donny: It's been like that since 2001. That's all I can say as the person who formatted it for WP.
EDIT: actually Waylon did, not me.

Karl: whats the entry, so i can go compare to original tape/cd

hailey :3: spring 1993 pat and rivers demos

Karl: k, i have the following info - the master of Because is on the 8 track tape known as “Comeback, Nunbucket” spring/93. It appears there only once. BUT it might have been mixed down twice? (2 different mix approaches or whatnot)

i havent gotten to that yet but its next on my list

Karl: the 4 and 8 track tapes had names usually, like the "mixdown" compilations of demos (yeastmaster etc). the document i made when checking out all of them has all the info, and you will have it too soon enough

August 22, 2024 1:08 PM (#karlification)


Karl: ok re: "Because" - i can confirm that it should only be there once, so you can delete that extra one.

as i said it appears only onceon th e8 track master

on Monterey Jack, it appears only once

and on my own cassette, one of many where i copied what was coming off the Garage assembly line back then, i have it listed once, as "Aca-Beatles-Mistake" (my own 1993 interpretation, NOT an official title!)

August 22, 2024 7:52 PM (#karlification)


Juan #2: it's on monterey jack 🤯
karl do you have the full monterey jack tracklisting

Karl: yeah - but ill get into stuff like that when i tackle the mater tape stuff i was talking about...asap..

what im surprised is that those were not made clear in the demo drops RC did. there was no indication of what song was under what "title"? i thought thats how you guys knew about some of his demo compilation tape names in the first place...

in other words im sure you have most of not all of what comprised montery jack. but now i learn you dont know what you have was on it originally?

hailey :3: AFAIK we have most songs but some songs are unknown https://www.weezerpedia.com/wiki/Monterey_Jack

"Tracks 8, 14, 23, and 25 are unconfirmed"

Juan #2: rivers left off certain songs for certain reason so we do have songs from the tape but some weren't shared, stuff like because was presumably left off because it was a cover

Karl: ahha
well, in that case maybe i can fill in the gaps
skip ahead as it were

Juan #2: these songs were all included in the monterey jack folder but there's noticeable gaps where rivers left off recordings

Karl: 8. i dropped the bmb
bomb
14 Ooh
23 Lemonade
22 because
lol something aint adding up here

Karl: ok wait no wonder this is so JACKed
the cd was labeled werid
weird

August 22, 2024 8:03 PM (#karlification)


Karl: oy ok so.... picking up partway, where the mess is..... (titles not necessarily exact)

16 punk snippet
17 lullaby
18 Thrown
19 I need some
"__" (no # on cd case, is really track 21) Comin Home Carolina
"20" (really track 21) when youre
"21" (really 22) Jamie
"22" (NOT ACTUALLY ON CD - ERROR WHEN COMPILING IN 2001 - WAS ON TAPE) Because
23 Lemonade
24 "(Speed Wax) If I Fell" <------- actually how it was typed for cd
25 Dont worry baby
26 Punk Rock Girl
this is like that shit when people whisper a secret person to person until the message is totally incorrect at the end. only it spans 3 decades. no wonder it was so confusing

August 22, 2024 8:26 PM (#karlification)

Dilavni: was island in the sun sped up in the mix/master? it sounds somewhat unnaturally fast

Karl: i can tell you that most of green went thru a million minor revisions, up till the very end. its entirely possible there were speed adjustments

August 22, 2024 7:45 PM (#karlification)

Karl: ok that was hard to read lol. but i dont think this helps the mystery? i may be mixing things up as im rushing but in that quote he doesnt stats anything about the theft? lets make a flowchart here to break down what we think happened and what we know didnt/did happen. starting with like what.. when he joined? late 93?

Karl: late 93: Brian has his red sg melody maker.

rivers has the gibson les paul jr (refinished, not all original)

touring starts in earnest spring 1994

bb still using red guitar

now... go. haha

Karl: [rivers of course also has the sonic blue strat)
rivers gets a maroon gibson SG (new 1994) for touring backup.
what happens to the les paul jr? goes on tour i think yes
as BB backup maybe

August 24, 2024 10:05 AM (#karlification)


Karl: ok so to continue.... the red sg is stolen out of his Audi Fox hatchback, in hollywood. this wasnt right before our 1st Euro trip in feb 1995, but before our second one in June 1995, i assume (any way to confirm this? i just cant dig right now)

ALSO stolen was his Travis Bean guitar.... so he must have gotten that in 1994, or early 1995

theres a hefty gap so plenty of time to go shopping beforeEurope

Weezer concert: 04/08/1995 Hollywood Palladium
Weezer concert: 06/12/1995 spain Barcelona, Spain Zeleste

so is it that point where thinline tele comes into play?
(i dont mean to ask like i know nothing, i just want to bounce this off of whats "known" right now to get my footing

August 24, 2024 7:51 PM (#karlification)


nimrod: https://youtu.be/NzsjUyO6jm4?si=e5cmMysTis_FAMzK he appears to be using the travis bean here (july 26th, 1995)
and in this photo from glastonbury (june 24th, 1995) and he also uses the travis bean on letterman (august 4th, 1995)
and these photos from the pinkerton sessions by spike jonze (likely june 9th 1996) with the red sg
and lastly this photo which i thought was august/sept 95 but now i think its right before they went off for europe in aug 96 seeing as they’re using 4x12 cabinets which they only used on european tours and is the first known photo of brian with the thinline tele

Karl: brain too foggy to go to the "so therefore..." stage atm, but ok good were on to ... something!!

August 25, 2024 8:41 PM (#karlification)


Donny: Well, if he still had the SG during the late Sound City Pinkerton sessions in June '96 and he didn't when they toured Europe in August '96... then it must have been stolen around that time. I know Sound City is not in Hollywood, but maybe at a Space Twins gig? I am not familiar with their gigography. Note that he also plays the Tele in the El Scorcho video, shot in August.
If he says he had less than a week to find a new guitar for the Euro Tour (starting on August 15), that means the theft, the acquisition of the Telecaster and the "El Scorcho" video must have happened around August 7-14 ish.
Just to be sure, Brian's Les Paul Jr. is a double cutaway in dark red. The one he is playing in the "The Good Life" video and as a back-up on the Pinkerton Tour. This is the one he is referring to.

The one in the picture from 1994 you posted is Rivers's brown Les Paul Jr. (bought in 1993, as seen on the Alone 1 cover) which was also later used by Brian. That guitar also didn't have its original parts. So either both guitars weren't original or he's confusing the two.

https://media.gettyimages.com/id/879054282/de/foto/weezer-rivers-cuomo-brian-bell-performing-on-stage-pukkelpop-festival-hasselt-belgium-24th.webp?s=1024x1024&w=gi&k=20&c=xL3vwzA_oEiFoieUKBY0qFqogSCBenJLiqbnM3PkatA=

Karl: various clarifications:

Gibson SG's are double cutaway, sort of thin body with scalloped edges. flat top

les paul jr is a single cutaway, thicker body 90 degree angle edges. flat top

les paul specials are double cutaway but do not resemble SG at all they have thick flat bodies with 90 degree corners, no scalloping. flat top

(proper Les Pauls have a rounded top - unlike all Jrs and Specials, which have flat tops) SGs have flat tops but have the edge scalloping.

Brians bright red gibson SG melody maker is the stolen one in question

his travis bean was stolen with the SG

travis beans have gotten horrifically expensive and rare, so good work theif, you won

RIvers got a maroon SG in 1994, that was his backup but then brian used it on occasion too

rivers still uses a white SG ("Courtney")

RIvers brown les paul jr is seen on Alone 1 cover. it became brians backup/alt.

i agree with timing of theft, cant remember if i ever disagreed or contested that and if i did what my alternate therory was lol

August 26, 2024 7:50 AM (#karlification)


Donny: What I meant so say was that this is not River's brown LP Jr. because this one is red and a double cutaway. I called it a LP Jr. because Brian did in that interview quote. I don't know what it really is.
So in my theory the SG and the Travis Bean get stolen in early/mid August of 1996, therefore Brian buys the Tele and the pictured guitar for the Pinkerton Tour.

Karl: got it!

that pictured guitar did not last long , i forgot all about it. its either in his home stuff or he sold it

August 26, 2024 11:16 AM (#karlification)


nimrod: brian uses this guitar until the tour ends in january 1997, then the no doubt tour he starts using his stock(?) (apart from pickguard) fender sunburst strat (i have the same guitar because of him) and still uses the tele for songs like surf wax and el scorcho but the les paul is gone

Karl: yes the stratocaster. i think he still owns that? but it hasnt been on tour in a while

August 26, 2024 6:47 PM (#karlification)
For context regarding the beginning of this conversation, see last month's archive.

hailey :3: curious where thief being done at the first show is from (not saying it didnt happen of course, just wanting to know where thats sourced from)

Karl: no theres no recordings from the 1st show. its listed now because i realized, it should have been there all along. i know they played it, i saw it

August 24, 2024 7:45 PM (#karlification)


hailey :3: oh I figured there wasn't, honestly would be interesting to hear if there are any updates on the 92 concert tape suspected to be either lost or in possession of matt

nimrod: no idea where i saw it (maybe the show list notepad) but it confirmed matt had it (?)

hailey :3: think it was a club dump show?

Karl: Yeah Matt for a while had a couple club dump shows on vhs and only he had them, but about 12? 14? years ago i duped all his weez stuff so i have it too. plz point out anywhere on =wp= that says "this is only possessed by Matt" and i can confirm etc

August 24, 2024 7:47 PM (#karlification)


hailey :3: lemme find some, in WRC there's some in 92
May 7 1992 doesn't have a known tracklist

Karl: ok. it will i promise

August 24, 2024 7:54 PM (#karlification)

orbitron: is this day in the autumn?

Karl: no. that old Autumn is possibly not even titled in reality, i just have a half memory of it being called that. it was a slow pretty instrumental that Pat re-visited numerous times. It probably ended up as a fragmentay part of one of the SG songs later but id have to listen to everything to sort it out so for right now trust me its definitely not a day in the autumn

August 24, 2024 7:45 PM (#karlification)

orbitron: is "we come in peace" by southern fried swing about british colonialism

Karl: tracks to me

August 24, 2024 7:54 PM (#karlification)

Burnst Jamp: Karl..... did you ever hear of the TSG fanclub zine ?

Karl: rings a bell... but never saw one?

Burnst Jamp: This is the info we have on it (I found the guy behind the username here but was not successful at contacting him!)

Burnst Jamp: He helped copyedit the original Rec Hist I believe

Karl: wow he might be the only person who has the stuff, aside from the girl who ran it???

August 25, 2024 7:47 PM (#karlification)


Karl: no one helped me copy edit... maybe that was later? idk

Burnst Jamp: "Copyedit" might be a bit strong, but it looks like he helped here and there

Burnst Jamp: Also note @justinhoenke in that first list of names lol

Karl: there must have been a process! i bet Justin remembers how it went down. Maybe i sent out a call to dedicated boardies, "seek the universe for recordings i may have missed" which tracks, because by 2000 there was a lot more live, boots, and tv etc floating around it was probably getting tough to manage.
how quaint that in 2000 weezer data was already getting overwhelming lol

August 25, 2024 8:03 PM (#karlification)

hailey :3: oh yeah also any update on when this tape is from specifically

Karl: ok im going to say that it has to be the 10/21 english acid show. because on my original tape i specify its "from october", and list the english acid show 10/21 with a "?". So, thats the only october 1992 show thats otherwise not covered or noted, i probably just wasnt sure at the time way back when for some reason.

August 25, 2024 7:57 PM (#karlification)


Juan #2: I did notice last night the setlist seems to match some of the august dates specifically the answer man but idk how long that song held on past august

Karl: it didnt make it to 1993 thats for sure. but it was SO FUN to play, so it was out there..... especially if the show wasnt going well lol

August 25, 2024 8:38 PM (#karlification)

orbitron: were there any songs recorded for that blue album 30th spotify session that got cut or is what's out there all you guys did

Karl: they ran thru everything once before what you see, with a few repeated sections to clear things up - but i dont think that run thru was recorded. what you see is basically the second run through, and i think they didnt have to restart anything. if you see editing it was probably to reduce how much i was blathering on between songs

August 25, 2024 8:01 PM (#karlification)

Moony B'deedle: Karl is Lucasfilm gonna sue you for rereleasing the real demo tape?

Karl: i didnt release a damn thing lol

August 25, 2024 8:37 PM (#karlification)

hailey :3: is there a specific date for when you guys recorded the party dialogue for undone? the COR notes that rivers came home on october 16th, with brian and matt coming home the 21st. i believe they all fly to master the album on november 2nd, meaning they had to ahve recorded it at some point from october 21st to november 1st. if the party dialogue was recorded in november, it's likely it would have been recorded on the 1st, though i could see it being recorded in late october

Karl: only RC flew back for mastering

we got the party dialogue stuff done just in time, Rivers was flying the next day i believe. So 11/1 is likely

we didnt know there was a samples problem till like 2-3 days before mastering was to start

August 26, 2024 7:33 PM (#karlification)

Moony B'deedle: karl question, be here now, overrated or masterpiece?

Karl: neither? Its not overrated, and its not a masterpiece. its quite good.

August 26, 2024 7:34 PM (#karlification)

nimrod: karl what was meeting/hanging out with oasis like in 2005

Karl: Noel was very quiet but not mean or anything. at Charles de Gaulle he mostly was on his phone, waving to us, like , sorry, gotta take this. he didnt come to the show, only Liam and Gem etc did. Liam was a laugh riot, full send, amazing to just watch in action. i got some video of him in our dressing room, just riffing on anything. i think he was amazed that a band like weezer werent just wild party freaks. he was 200% more energy than anyone in our whole organization lol. He recognized me at several later shared gigs, always nodded politely and and called me "geezah" everytime haha

August 26, 2024 7:38 PM (#karlification)

nimrod: another oasis thing idk where i saw it but brian said weezer and oasis ran into each other at glasto 95 and liam said something like “buddy holly! rockin’ tune!” is this true

Karl: yes that was our earliest encounter with them. then came paris 2005, then kroq inland invasion .....2005??? then the shows in europe (rock am ring etc) but i forget the year. 2005? 2008? idk.... they broke up in... 2009???

August 26, 2024 7:42 PM (#karlification)

hailey :3: also wondering when specifically say it ain't so wouldve been remixed in 1995. theres a newspapers from february '95 that states the debut album sold 1 million copies, and the single mix was done at least after a million copies were sold. im guessing somewhere between march 1995 and july 1995? maybe between late april and july depending on if it was done after the cat's paw session

Karl: you can date that to near the video shoot day (which i think is known??), as it was around that time - getting ready for single release = getting it remixed

hailey :3: super-chrono says April 9 with a question mark

Karl: for now thats as close as were gonna get, but lettuce not give up hope just yet, ive made some special modificatio - no wrong movie. anyway i might have it.

August 26, 2024 8:38 PM (#karlification)

Karl: i dont know where the question is up there, but: Can confirm that Jamie was tried on 7/9/94 in LA, when the b-sides were recorded. several takes were done but they only have scratch lead vocals and no backing vocals. it is cool to know that a jamie exists thats Brian playing on it, but it would take some mixing magic to make it a thing that the world could hear

hailey :3: okay so the b sides were for SURE 7/9/94.

Karl: well, at least Jamie was. i cant recall if they were done over 1 day or more. probably 1-2 days.

August 28, 2024 7:30 PM (#karlification)

Jeremy: Is there any more info on when each mix of each individual song was made? Assuming they're all from different days of the three day period these mixes were made

Karl: i can get you a day by day calendar of events but it has some gaps. its taken from my journal at the time. but cross referenceing that info with info i put in the recording history (that came from the tapes i had) could tighten things up a lot. also i have scans of the 2" master reels, but it important to remember that the "final" reels were in many cases spliced together so the dates on them may or may not be the "real" dates. and none of those would have any note of if/when they were mixed down

August 29, 2024 9:26 PM (#karlification)

orbitron: would i be correct in assuming these would be the same recording?

Karl: yes - well, i cant say 100% but it pretty much must be so. we will confirm this vs physical demo tapes etc,. remind me

August 29, 2024 5:20 PM (#karlification)

Karl: note that this has NOT been x-referenced with anything - could be missing all sorts of data! All pulled from my journal....

August 1993

Sat 7 - Farewell Party - Amherst House
Sun 8 - fly to NYC
Mon 9 - S.I.R. rehearsal
Tues 10 - S.I.R. rehearsal
Wed 11 - S.I.R. rehearsal
Thurs 12 - S.I.R. rehearsal

Fri 12 - Sun 15 - unclear, but includes: Gear going to Electric Lady, getting set up/mic'ed by Chris Shaw. Ric O. rehearsing with his band in the same SIR space weezer was in (we meet Greg Hawkes, Eliot Easton), then going to Boston for a show to promote "Quick Change World" - (he later went on letterman to play "his"dont let go" oct 13, 1993) see youtube

Mon 16 - electric lady, Studio A - Undone
tues 17 - electric lady, Studio A - no one else, surf wax, world
wed 18 electric lady, Studio A - jonas, garage. "cheese foam skateboard" video shot this day
thur 19 - Taylor Dayne video shoot in A, Studio C: hangout, stew over Taylor Daynes prebooked session
fri 20 - electric lady, Studio A - mykel & carli, SIAS
sat 21 - electric lady, Studio A - holiday, buddy holly
sun 22 - off
Mon 23 - electric lady, Studio B - overdubs
Tues 24 - electric lady, Studio B - overdubs [photos taken this day]
wed 25 - electric lady, Studio A+B - overdubs [Holiday organ in B; Rivers acoustic in A][photos taken this day]
thurs 26 - electric lady, Studio C - overdubs
Fri 27 - electric lady, Studio C - overdubs ["guitar sounds finally weezer-ized, booming"]
Sat 28 - ?
Sun 29 off - [KK, PF, AP, PW to Snapcase show lower manhattan at "Wetlands" https://hardcoreshowflyers.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/hsf1993120.jpg]
Mon 30 ?
Tues 31 - electric lady, Studio B - overdubs [undone piano; vocals] [photos of RC+MS]

Karl: September

Wed 1 - ? [KK to Buffalo]
Thurs 2 - ? [KK to Buffalo]
Fri 3 - ? [KK returns to NYC, pm]
Sat 4 - electric lady, Studio C - overdubs
Sun 5 - electric lady, Studio B - overdubs [issues re: Jason come to fore]
Mon 6 - electric lady, Studio B - overdubs [Jason not at studio]
Tues 7 - electric lady, Studio B - overdubs [Jason not at studio?]
Wed 8 - electric lady, Studio B - overdubs [Jason not at studio?]
Thurs 9 - electric lady, Studio B - overdubs [Jason not at studio?]
Fri 10 - electric lady, Studio B - overdubs, KK records undone samples [Jason not at studio?]
Sat 11 - electric lady, Studio B - overdubs (Only In Dreams "climax guitars", Buddy Holly Keyboard part) [Jason not at studio?]
Sun 12 - off - Jason leaves NYC, leaves weezer
Mon 13 - off (C. Shaw prepares for mixing, Phone call to Brian in LA)
Tues 14 - off (Brian records "Audition Tape" in LA, Fedexed to NYC)
Wed 15 - off (tape recieved in NYC, listened to, Brian invited to join weezer)(Karl turns 24)
Thurs 16 - off (Brian arrives in NYC) [Brian bed photo]
Fri 17 - electric lady, Studio B - Brian vocal and guitar practice
Sat 18 - electric lady, Studio B - Chris Shaw mixing (partial/prepartory) - Brian vocal and guitar practice [KK and RC see Les Mis]
Sun 19 - off (Brian continues practice) - KK (+RC?) to Guggenhiem
Mon 20 - off (Brian continues practice)(determined: Brian will re-do vocals, RC will re-do guitars)
Tues 21- electric lady, Studio B - Brian Vocals
Wed 22 - electric lady, Studio B - Brian Vocals
Thurs 23 - electric lady, Studio B - Brian Vocals [kk to buffalo]
Fri 24 - electric lady, Studio B - Brian Vocals, Rivers re-does all JC guitars [kk in buffalo]
Sat 25 - ? [kk in buffalo]
Sun 26 - ? [kk in buffalo]
Mon 27 - electric lady, Studio B - Mixing [kk returns to NYC][KK, RC, BB? PW? see "Dazed And Confused"]
Tues 28 - electric lady, Studio B - Mixing [RC and KK go see "Cats"]
Wed 29 - electric lady, Studio B - Mixing [kk to Buffalo]
Thurs 30 - electric lady, Studio B - Mixing [kk in Buffalo]

Karl: October
Fri 1 thru Tues 5 - electric lady, Studio B - Mixing [kk in Buffalo]
Wed 6 - electric lady, Studio B - Mixing [kk back in NYC]
Thurs 7 - electric lady, Studio B - Mixing [RC + KK go see Phantom of the Opera]
Fri 8 - electric lady, Studio B - Mixing - Last day [Ric takes all to Blue Man Group at Astor Theater, then to Rics house for party]
Sat 9 KK + PW to LA
Mon 11- Fri 15 - Mastering at Sterling sound [RC on hand]
Sat 16 RC returns to LA
Thurs 21 MS, BB to LA
Sun 31 - band vocal rehearsals start

Karl: November

Mon 1 - record undone "party" vocals, 2226 Amherst
Tues 2 - RC to NYC for re-mastering w/new undone
Wed 3 - RC in NYC for re-mastering
Thurs 4 - Sat 6 RC off in CT
Sun 5 - RC returns to LA, album finished.
Mon 6 - daily practices start on Venice Blvd [B+W photos from these following days/weeks], + vocal rehearsals daily at Kyung-Hee's house
[note we didnt officially live at Amherst House anymore, other bands were using"The Garage" now]

August 29, 2024 8:40 PM (#karlification)


hailey :3: so Brian confirmed did vocals???? id seen he was just credited for it before but it's nice to know he really did :)

Karl: oh he definitely did, cant you hear his odd knoxville accent on "Ayy Wayy" in Undone?

August 29, 2024 8:40 PM (#karlification)


Donny: Wow, Karl. Thanks for all that info. I have a couple of questions

  • on what day was the basic tracking for "Only In Dreams"?
  • Why did Rivers record acoustic guitar when Jason was still in the band at the time?
  • Did Brian re-sing Jason's vocal parts or did Brian come up with new parts?

Karl: 1. i dont know (yet)
2. because he wanted to? maybe the tension was already developing and RC just plowed ahead with it. That probably wasnt "Jonas" intro, theres a bit of acoustic here and thee on the album. (But later RC did re-play the acoustic on Jonas that Jason had done)
3. yeah as far as i know, the parts were the parts, RC determined what they were, not JC. So Brian just re-did them

Donny: And most importantly, lol, if Taylor Dane shot her video in Studio A while weezer was tracking, are those PAT'S DRUMS?

Karl: YES.

Been looking for that video lol

August 30, 2024 9:32 AM (#karlification)


nimrod: will some of these photos mentioned see the light of day

Karl: youve probably already seen at least some of them

August 30, 2024 4:33 PM (#karlification)

Jeremy: Karl, you once said that you watched RC re-record all of Cropper's guitar parts. But here it says you were in Buffalo?

Karl: i can only guess that whatever i remember watching wasnt actually that, but strongly resembled that. i.e. RC quickly and easily playing rhythm parts for another guitar layer etc. often they did 3 layers for rhythm, left right and center

August 30, 2024 9:29 AM (#karlification)

orbitron: how could it have been "dan's hurley picks 1.0" if it was done 4 months before the hurley photo was taken? was that just a name given to it later?

Karl: Jose photo was after the album title. Hurley was a working title, originally referred to fact that Hurley clothing was co-sponsoring the album session or something like that. partner with Epitaph.... RC using Jose photo (which he genuinely loved) was a big middle finger to Hurley basically, and to the whole long ugly process of recording the album which drove everyone nuts

August 30, 2024 9:35 AM (#karlification)

Donny: @Jeremy how do we know it was 1 take each?

Jeremy:

Jeremy: I am not sure where the original claim from Ric Ocasek comes from, but Karl seems to believe it (even if the claim of him "watching it happen" is currently dubious)

King Tom: From Rivers' Edge:

Karl: Ric dont lie!

Dude never interviewed me (we all refused to help him haha), but that quote from me was based on speculation and not remembering well. Engineer Chris Shaw can vouch that Brian sang all JCs parts. RC is in there too - but not doing anything that Jason/Brian were slated to do. just addl backing bits

August 30, 2024 9:41 AM (#projects-forum; "Recording History 2.0 WRC" thread)

orbitron: (actually did hell centro studios even exist? the only other reference i've seen to it was from super early supersport 2000 recordings)

Karl: Hellcentro was Rod's dads TV voiceover business/studio - but that wasnt the real name,thats the name Rod gave it. Its real name was something boring haha

i dont know if the recordings done there were separate from the thats incredible stuff, or the same exact recordings. I dont think anything started at hellcentro was continued at poop alley

August 30, 2024 4:36 PM (#projects-forum; "Recording History 2.0 WRC" thread)

Jeremy: oh so this is where the RH goes insane

Karl: note that i actually have those tapes - thats why i included them.i just never had the chance to type up tracklists (in some cases that would involve listening/fast forwarding etc). so this is retrievable info. For now i guess at least see if they are circulating and note that....?

August 30, 2024 4:40 PM (#projects-forum; "Recording History 2.0 WRC" thread)

Jeremy: Why is Jamie on this CD 5 seconds longer than the Jamie we know and love? Is it just a misprint, or is there an edit we've never heard?

Karl: yes same session,same rarities jamie. the extra seconds were probably space at the beginning,to separate from album

August 30, 2024 8:28 PM (#karlification)

orbitron: this is kind of a 2 parter question:
1. have you heard the first sftbh tracklist from late 94/early 95?
and
2. if so, are any of the recordings any different? i've noticed the ones on alone 1 and 2 have transitions into/from songs that aren't on the first tracklist, which implies that they're from the second

orbitron: the catalog o riffs does however imply that the songs that are on tracklist 2 but not 1 (who you callin bitch, please remember) were also recorded in germany? this is confusing. i'm taking this to mean that tracklist 2 was not in fact recorded in the fall of 1995 like believed? because lisa was almost definitely recorded in germany as well (vocoder present; no vocoder at garage) which was exclusively on tracklist #2

Karl: i dont have any definitive insights off the top of my head,though a deep dive should help. But there are a few facts i can put down:

the "tracklist 1 and 2" thing was a construct i came up with to identify the earlier and later discovered listings. RC never said oh thats tracklist 1, this is 2. but he did re-order it with the added songs.

looking at nothing, i think tracklist 2 was so named because it came along later, i realized it wasnt the same as what i knew

my source for everything has always been RCs compilations of recordings, as he 'presented' them. i never assumed anything was in or out of sftbh.
yes the germany recordings were later than the initial 1994 demos.

and in no case was anything a different version or distinct recording. whats in T1 is the same as T2, (aside from added or subtracted material)

but yeah due to the re-ordering, some intros and such were either wiped out or otherwise gone

orbitron: so what i'm getting at is there's not quite any chronology to the "tracklists"? so one could have theoretically come before the other. (could this mean there's more?) where does the whole "he made this while in school" thing come from then?
this just furthers my need for a riversfication

Karl: i doubt theres more, RC himself has said SFTBH was never completed and is short because more was planned but never made (not even written i think). Id like to hear his thoughts on it. I suspect hed just say whatever were calling tracklists are just2 different snapshots of a work in progress

orbitron: that makes sense to me. i think what i'm getting confused about is the dates of it all

Karl: yeah its started as just new demos, then he started shaping things into the sftbh concept. so its origins are late 93 really, tired of sex, getchoo... it wasnt till we were in Hamburg in 2/95 that he wanted to nail down SFTBH as a concept i think..... thats when he made me make the cassette j card etc. im sure pinkerton diaries tell the tale somewhat?

orbitron: i’ve read through that section of the pinkerton diaries quite a lot and what i’ve gotten from it was

  • rivers comes up with the very first embryo of that story in june(?) 94
  • first draft written 11/28/94
  • synopsis written early 95 followed by a second draft (this feels much more complete than any other track list i’ve seen? weird) followed by "writing this musical has been a bitch" type moaning
  • pinkerton starts happening by fall 95 then sftbh is fully out the door by march 96.

i don’t think there’s many details about the recording side of things

Karl: that tracks - he recycled pre june 94 demos into the story, by feb 95 he was trying to nail it down on tape (what wasnt done by that point) in hamburg, had me make a j card etc. 8/95 electric lady session was definitely black hole intended. matt releases return of rentals fall 95, RC starts losing steam on a synth heavy sound, goes to harvard, gets bummed, new songs emerge - good life. fan letter = across the sea - new concept takes over (still works with tired of sex, getchoo, etc)

orbitron: he must've been trying to hold on to at least the core of the concept since some black hole stuff was recorded at sound city in jan

Karl: yes.i think the plan was "keep pushing forward", but he was increasingly of 2 minds.
theres real pain in pinkerton, but some of it isnt in the lyric/literal sense

August 31, 2024 1:02 PM (#karlification)

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